Date: June 13, 2025
Time: Noon Mountain, 2pm Eastern
(non-standard time) Meeting will be held over Zoom. Details in email.

NRAO: Jim Ogle, Steven Tremblay, Justin Linford, Walter Brisken, Robert Minchin
USNO: Phil Cigan, Chris Dieck, David Gordon,

  • Station Update - all ten stations operational.

  • Intensive Observations
    • First of May we began seeing recording problems at MK in intensives, a small number of scans are dropped on both the DBS and Mark6, though the Mark6 drops fewer scans than the DBS.
      • Not consistent, some observations have had all of their scans.
      • Problem tracked down to bad RAM in the DBS. RAM was replaced, problem cleared.
    • P-series has changed to fixed times/dates while Kokee is down and MK is substituting for it in some of the I-series intensives.
      • Continues into June.
      • With KK back in operation, will the P-series observations continue to be fixed date/times around the I-series intensives or will it go back to dynamic scheduling?
        • No clear answer. Probably prefer to keep it fixed.
    • NZ-Series runs approximately every three days.
      • BR cable/phase cal problem. Comes and goes, leading theory is thermal expansion and contraction of cables.
      • SC also has a cable cal problem but is slightly different in effect and doesn't seem to be due to thermal issues like at BR.
    • Q-series intensive observations at MK run on weekends.
    • I-series "Holiday" intensive observations at MK, substituting for Kokee on federal holidays.
      • Also substituting for KK in some regular I-series intensives while their fiber is out.
      • Kokee fiber has been replaced, if all has gone well then MK substituting for KK ends on June 12.
      • There will be another period when Kokee will be down, some signal change and receiver upgrades, but no dates yet.
  • Post-Monthly Report Review for May 2025
    • MK substituting for KK I-series and new schedule for P-series observations continues.
    • COOP test was moved from May 2 to May 22.
    • Caught up on backlog from April.
    • One P-series did not run due to a hardware failure at HN.
    • Two Q-series did not run due to software problems at NRAO.
    • One I-series did not run due to no file being provided.
  • Request for June 2025
    • .MK substituting for KK I-series and new schedule for P-series observations continues.
      • Last substitution June 12.
    • Global observation GC040C substituting for UD020 this month.
  • Pre-Monthly Request for July 2025
    • P-series continue to be fixed date/times - probably.
  • Correlator Statuses
    • V2 correlator status:
      • Tuesday 5-7pm (Eastern Time) Maintenance Window weekly patches continue, with weekly reporting to USNO at the conclusion of each patch.
      • Troubleshooting as requested to maintain functionality.
      • NRAO was unable to access the Production Cluster for a period last month, including planned maintenance of May 20, due to changes in Firewall/Whitelist. This has been resolved; maintenance for both weeks was performed on May 27.
      • USNO and NRAO completed the RMF Validation step in December. Since then, USNO and NRAO have been addressing questions and findings of reviewers, as well as remediating new issues.The final authorizing official returned comments on June 4, and NRAO provided artifacts to address issues in its purview the same day.
      • Three storage drives were replaced in early May, and in late May an additional drive faulted and was replaced, leaving 1 spare remaining on-hand. NRAO has ordered QTY 5 drives for direct ship to USNO.
      • NRAO is investigating a few issues since late April/early May - power supply faults (test) and a kernel on one MD node (production). The latter issue was recently identified in a STIG scan by USNO; and may require a POA&M while options to remediate are assessed, tested, and finally implemented in a way that does not impact ongoing operations.
    • V3 correlator status:
      • NRAO is progressing toward milestone 3,DiFX testing in Socorro on a single host using a representative dataset has been completed; note the node OSs were build utilizing repeatable and extensible ansible playbooks. Scaling of initial results indicates ability to meet performance requirements. Additional testing in progress.
      • USNO has identified supplemental funding and prepared an updated Performance Work Statement for the V3 Correlator to formalize the changes via NAVSUP/NRAO CAP. As of June 10, document remains with NAVSUP; upon receipt, NRAO will require time to review and respond. PoP ends June 30th; short-term NCE is a contingency option.

  • Open issues
    • USNO reports detecting a drift in MK baselines beginning mid-2023 and still happening.
      • Approximately 0.1 microsecond per day drift, works out to about 0.25 cm/year.
      • There was a major maintenance visit to MK in May 2023 during which the dichroic panel and antenna panels damaged by an ice storm in 2022 were replaced. Only other major work done in 2022 at MK was the replacement of an elevation motor in April.
      • It's seen in the Z/NZ series but not P-series? So maybe a correlation issue rather than with MK itself. Possibly seen in Q-series as well. Quick look at GPS data doesn't indicate a physical movement of the station.
      • Update?
    • VLBA e-transfer system
      • RDV observations having non-VLBA stations e-transfered.
      • Direct transfers have worked, bypassing need for some stations to go through Haystack. Efforts continuing to add more stations.
      • Bonn has successfully pulled GMVA data from DSOC.
      • Anthony Sowinski new PoC for NRAO.
    • Data ingest of IVS data to NRAO/Socorro in support of USNO V2 correlator ("backup correlator") continuity of operations (COOP):
      • We will do a monthly COOP test of the V2 correlator by correlating a WZ-KK intensive. .
        • May COOP test was rescheduled to May 22.
        • June COOP test was on June 5.
        • July test will be on July 17.
      • MOA actually was that the VLBA correlator would be used for the COOP not the V2. Once eTransfer is in place that could be done.
        • e-transfer is in use now, time to revisit this topic?
        • Different DifX versions are in use, some prep work would be necessary. A larger discussion is needed. (Nothing yet.)
      • Further use of the V2 correlator in the processing of P-series and Z-series observations has been proposed.
        • An eventual goal would be to see a demonstration of these being processed without the involvement of any DC-based USNO personnel.
        • Another goal would be processing bigger projects such as a 24-hour R4 observation.
        • Will be easier for VLBA to handle after the deployment of the e-transfer filesystem.
          • etc/etd will be the only transfer software initially supported by the e-transfer system.
          • Kokee will need to change to this software for the COOP tests. Wetzell has already switched to it..(This is in the wrong place?)
            • Switch at Kokee delayed by their fiber outage.
            • Kokee's fiber has been replaced, effort to get them to change to etc/etd can begin again. (Probably a lot of work due to old OS being used.)
        • Test correlations have been done on both P and Z series observations with the V2 correlator.
          • Storage space in the DSOC /datacopy areas is insufficient to hold data from a P series and a Z series at the same time.
            • More space will be available once e-transfer is in place.
              • Currently we are still using the datacopy areas for transfers from VLBA stations, procedures for using e-transfer area instead need to be developed.
          • Data transfer rates were exceptionally slow, probably due to using rsync because tsunami and etc/etd were not available to USNO users on gygax.
            • Will need to get USNO access to the new transfer software before further testing can be done.
            • Moving to eTransfer would also get the procedures off gygax which isn't really suitable for it.
    • USNO would like to be able to check automatically if the V2 correlator is up or down but are unable to do so, can NRAO set something up for this?
      • Probably have to wait for e-transfer to be operational at NRAO due to internet security concerns.
      • If we switch to using VLBA correlator instead of v2 per the MOA would eliminate the need for this.
    • Higher speed network connections to HN and MK opens the possibility of realtime correlation of intensives but neither Washington correlator nor NRAO set up to do it yet.
      • Blocking issue for NRAO is mostly network speed into the correlator.
        • Initial attempts at realtime correlation of VLBA data could begin soon. There will be some limitations - VLBA stations only, limited to observations that record at 512 Mbits/sec or less and NRAO may need some help from USNO in determining sessions, creating files and looking at the output. These observations would still record to Mark6 disk packs but if USNO intensives were used they would not record data to the DBS units.
          • Contact person at USNO to assist on this is needed.
      • USNO not really set up for realtime with correlator design and workflow, and no real plans to do it in the near future. Wait for v3 correlator.
    • Replacements of the Xcubes with DBS units
      • New software will ultimately cause a change in the naming structure of data files and PFB (Mark5B) data format will no longer be supported, instead it will be converted on the fly to VDIF format.
        • Software changes will need further testing before deployment and first iteration of the updates may not change naming structure of data files or include the PFB->VDIF conversion.
        • Low priority, won't happen until after eTransfer and v3 correlator. (move to LT?)
    • Is it possible to reduce the latency on 24-hr geodetic USNO-only sessions, with a goal of a latency between the completion of observation to analyzed result under 7 days?
      • E-transfer not practical at this time so expedited shipping of disk packs is needed.
        • Now that e-transfer is working, should be consider trying it with UD011?
        • NRAO will put it on target list, would need to coordinate the download so as not to interfere with any realtime correlation observations. So probably on a maintenance day. Action item: Jim to coordinate a meeting on this (Walter, Jay, ??) SC would take several days to download....
      • Might be limited to just attempting it for one of the two UD011 observations per month.
      • Record of time to correlation:
        • first year of observations (UD011 AA - AR) average time was 9 days. (Specifics can be found in minutes of previous meetings.)
        • second year of observations (UD011 AS - BQ) average time was 12 days counting all observations, just counting the one observation a month we put a rush on the disk pack shipping the average time was 9 days.
        • third year: UD011 BR - 18 days, UD011 BS - 8 days, UD011 BT - 21 days, UD011 BU - 13 days, BV - 27 days; BW - 15 days; BX - 23 days; BY - 13 days; BZ - 20 days, CA - 17 days, CB - 13 days, CC - 17 days, CD - 17 days, CE - 10 days, CF - 13 days, CG - 14 days, CH - 13 days, CI - 17 days, CJ - observed June 3
    • Next DiFX release (2.9) - Slow development continues.
      • testing underway., target release date possibly end of June.
        • One issue involving VGOS data in HOPS package still being worked on, a workaround is in place. A new version of HOPS is expected to resolve the issue.
    • VEX2
      • Vex2 standard will cover missing tuning information that SKED and VieSked++ aren't able to include.
        • This information will still be required but VEX2 will have a space for it so manual editing won't be needed.
        • USNO has been sent vex2 samples, will have them send NRAO a file to test and make sure it works.
          • NRAO has received samples, no test file yet.
      • Things are okay right now with standard USNO setups and observations, could become an issue if USNO starts using non-standard setups in new observations.
      • Some testing of VEX2 has begun at NRAO.
        • Sched 12 is out, NRAO has switched to using vex2 internally.
          • Vex 1.5 will remain supported but once VNDA is installed and running in 2026 NRAO will probably end supporting v1.5 after a year.
          • Should start a test phase on USNO-provided vex files with vex2 now rather than later.
            • Problems reported by USNO with fourfit and vex2.
            • vex2 not supported by the mark4/HOPS data path? This and fourfit might be the same issue?
            • for the immediate future the vex 1.5 files can be used to avoid the fourfit and mark4 issues.
    • Installation of new GPS receivers at VLBA sites.
      • Receivers have been installed at all sites but are not in use yet.
        • All stations except LA have been seen to transmit data but it's not usable by NRAO yet.
        • Some sites are experiencing overheating problems in the new GPS receivers.
        • Also waiting on firmware updates.
    • Mixed mode correlation
      • 2025 RDV sessions will have at least one VGOS station in mixed mode, USNO needs assistance NRAO in correlating them. Maybe contact Haystack or Bonn?
      • Have tried mixed-mode correlation with RV169 and RV170, no success.
    • USNO asked about getting CASA to read pulse cal data the way AIPS does, it would help with their imaging efforts on weak astrometry targets at higher frequencies.
      • This is on the CASA developer's target list but low priority.
    • VLBA planned to start upgrading its correlator from RHEL7 to RHEL8 in January 2025.
      • USNO still needs to use DiFX 2.7.
      • Upgrade progress - Mark6's need some hardware updates before VLBA playback units can be upgraded to RHEL8.
        • First testing of new hardware on one Mark6 unit was successful, hardware for remaining upgrades has been ordered.
        • Hardware has arrived, upgrading of Mark6 units has started.
          • Slight delay arose, some of the new ordered hardware proved incompatible and will need to be exchanged.

  • Long term issues

    • New IVS session code naming structure change for intensives.
      • Problems encountered with the longer project codes:
        • Longer project codes not supported by all IVS stations so not all intensives will change to a longer code.
        • DiFX did have some project code length limitations, a change went into DiFX 2.8 .
          • USNO not using DiFX 2.8 yet. They can correlate with 2.8 but fringing doesn't work.
        • NRAO's Mark6 disk pack shipping/tracking program Packtrack has some problems with lengthy project codes. This would only affect any intensives which get correlated in Socorro off of disk packs, but currently there are none.
    • .Peculiar delays - VLBA has a delay compared to Kokee that perhaps should be checked out, maybe put some VLBA stations into a KK observation as tagalongs?
      • Walter reached out to some people, says it looks like it would be a bigger effort than anticipated.
        • Possibility of adding KK to an RDV observation instead raised..
          • KK will be in the April 2024 RDV observation so could get data from that.
            • RV165 observed April 24. Has been correlated.
            • After USNO (or NASA?) does analysis a copy of the clock offsets can be provided to VLBA for comparisons.
              • Analysis finished, but didn't include VLBA stations so still need to do that and get the info to NRAO.
            • Kokee does have a different maser compared to last time VLBA correlated with them, might have an effect?
        • VLBA thinks it will have to wait until after all ten stations have received new GPS units (and they're all in use).
          • Prioritization of this and other lingering issues should be considered once we can start looking at this again.
        • Moving to VNDA will also change VLBA delays slightly, so it'll probably have to wait until after that's in place as well.
          • The RV165 clock offset data would be useful for a before and after comparison, but it would not be used to adjust the VLBA offset. A second observation like RV165 would be needed so we could make the comparison.

  • Fiber Status at each site:
    • 600 Mbps minimum at each site
    • 1 Gbps at PT, KP, OV, NL. FD
    • 5 Gbps at HN
    • 10 Gbps at LA,BR, MK
    • 600 Mbps at SC (download up to 400 Mbps) - possibility it could be going up to 1 Gbps
  • The practical link capacity due to overhead and other traffic is at most 85% of the reported link speed
Next meeting July 11, 2025? USNO picnic was rescheduled to July 11 so either start late or move the date. Walter not available. Move to noon/2pm.

-- JimOgle - 2025-06-09
Topic revision: r4 - 2025-06-13, JimOgle
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